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Old 02-23-2012, 04:09 PM   #1
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Dolphins General Manager Jeff Ireland pledged to keep his size molds, drafting players who fit the NFL’s positional prototype from a size and speed standpoint.

He’s standing firm on his core believes, which is that bigger is better.

But Ireland admits that after meeting with Miami’s new assistants – especially the coordinators – he’s had to alter the mold slightly in what he’s looking for in draft prospects, and free agents moving forward.

One position Ireland specifically said the blueprint has changed was offensive linemen, which makes sense considering the Dolphins allowed more sacks per passing play than any other team in 2011.
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This is a good sign IMO. A coach and GM have to work together in lock step. Obviously there are going to be some philosophical differences and I think a GM who is willing to be a little flexible is going to give his coach the tools he needs. This increases the chances of success for both guys.
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:03 PM   #2
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I hope he doesn't flex too much...his pants will fall down!
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Old 02-23-2012, 10:00 PM   #3
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I think you would be surprised at just how close the philosophies are. No one really knows what Joe Philbin's philosophy on player evaluation is. All we know is who he has worked with in his history. First, he comes from a Green Bay system of talent evaluation and scouting that has been fairly consistent since 1991 when Ron Wolf took over as the GM. That philosophy on scouting and evaluation has been passed on to Mike Sherman, who was the head coach and general manager from 2000-2004 in Green Bay. Ted Thompson took over as the GM in 2005. He was one of Ron Wolf's right hand men in Green Bay prior to Thompson following Mike Holmgren to Seattle. In fact, Ron Wolf strongly recommended Ted Thompson for the Dolphins job in 2004. Miami, obviously, decided to keep Rick Spielman instead of hiring Ted Thompson. Joe Philbin has worked for both Sherman and Thompson in his NFL career. One thing about, let's call it the Ron Wolf scouting philosophy, is that Ron Wolf was always big on player prototypes for each position. In fact, I recently read an article where some of Wolf's mistakes in Green Bay were being discussed. One mistake that Wolf spoke about in this article was drafting Terrell Buckley back in 1992. Wolf's response to that was that he violated his philosophy of never drafting a cornerback that was shorter than 5'11". He also noted that TBuck was a poor fit for the Packers defense at that time, and he was not a cold weather guy. TBuck went on to be very successful in Miami as a starter for four years and then as a nickle back.

Second, Joe Philbin also spent time under Kirk Ferentz at Iowa. Kirk Ferentz is one of the coaches that have branched off the Bill Belichick tree, along with other college coaches like Nick Saban and Pat Hill. Ferentz is well schooled in the Belichick way of scouting and evaluation, which has its roots in the George Young scouting philosophy, which is who Bill Parcells also rooted his philosophy from. In fact, it is well known that if Kirk Ferentz was interested in coaching at the NFL level, Scott Pioli would hire him in Kansas City. One thing Ferentz has always been big with in scouting high school talent, and this is one area where there may be a difference in what Joe Philbin looks for and what Jeff Ireland has typically looked for is in the offensive linemen. Ferentz has typically recruited guys who were tight ends in high school that were in the 6'4" to 6'6" height range and around 240-250 lbs coming out of high school. He would take these players, get them on a diet and strength program, and develop 6'5", 300 lbs monsters that could MOVE THEIR FEET. Robert Gallery was a high school tight end. So were Bruce Nelson and Eric Steinbach. Bryan Bulaga was a 270 lbs tackle in high school. Ferentz was also big on taking high school linebackers and making them defensive ends, like Matt Roth.
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Ferentz could recruit anyone he wants and make them good. He drills fundamentals better than anyone else. Just look at his OL every year.

As a matter of fact, not just Ferentz but the defensive staff as well. Norm Parker was simple, yet brilliant in his coaching. A shame he has retired because football lost a great coach regardless of the level.
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Second, Joe Philbin also spent time under Kirk Ferentz at Iowa. Kirk Ferentz is one of the coaches that have branched off the Bill Belichick tree, along with other college coaches like Nick Saban and Pat Hill. Ferentz is well schooled in the Belichick way of scouting and evaluation, which has its roots in the George Young scouting philosophy, which is who Bill Parcells also rooted his philosophy from. In fact, it is well known that if Kirk Ferentz was interested in coaching at the NFL level, Scott Pioli would hire him in Kansas City. One thing Ferentz has always been big with in scouting high school talent, and this is one area where there may be a difference in what Joe Philbin looks for and what Jeff Ireland has typically looked for is in the offensive linemen. Ferentz has typically recruited guys who were tight ends in high school that were in the 6'4" to 6'6" height range and around 240-250 lbs coming out of high school. He would take these players, get them on a diet and strength program, and develop 6'5", 300 lbs monsters that could MOVE THEIR FEET. Robert Gallery was a high school tight end. So were Bruce Nelson and Eric Steinbach. Bryan Bulaga was a 270 lbs tackle in high school. Ferentz was also big on taking high school linebackers and making them defensive ends, like Matt Roth.
After reading this, there maybe a strong possibility that most mocks are correct in that, if we stick with the 8th spot, Riley Reiff might be a very strong possibility. From what I've read about RR, he's more polished and NFL ready then Bryan Bulaga was coming out of IOWA...

RR checked in at 6'5, 313lbs (Jake is 6'7" 317lbs) yesterday at the combine, and said he has no problem playing the left or right side.
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After reading this, there maybe a strong possibility that most mocks are correct in that, if we stick with the 8th spot, Riley Reiff might be a very strong possibility. From what I've read about RR, he's more polished and NFL ready then Bryan Bulaga was coming out of IOWA...

RR checked in at 6'5, 313lbs (Jake is 6'7" 317lbs) yesterday at the combine, and said he has no problem playing the left or right side.
If I had to guess, I would guess that Miami looks defensive line first. I think they want a pressure player, but maybe not in the sense that some feel. Some think Miami will be looking at Upshaw and Ingram with that pick. Personaly, I think their size will ultimately rule them out for what Miami is looking for. I think Miami will be looking very hard at Quinton Coples from North Carolina and also Fletcher Cox from Mississippi State. Keep your eye on Fletcher. Bob McGinn, who is very plugged in, stated on twitter the other day that he's getting told that Fletcher, at 6'4", 295 lbs or so, will run the forty in 4.6-4.7 seconds. If he does that, look out. This is a player who brings position versatility. He can play both outside and in, and he has the explosiveness and athleticism to supply you pressure at both spots.
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^ I tend to agree about DL over OL, although Id be happy with either as both are our top needs.

I think the NFL is a more passing league, as reflected by the QB stats from last year and on defense, your bread and butter should be your pass rush. Right now, we have Cam Wake and guys who could probably do a good job rushing from the inside like Odrick and Starks. If we switch to a 4-3, a pass rushing DE opposite of Wake will be up there.

However, from a financial standpoint, OT can also make some sense. With Jake Long entering the final year of his rookie deal and probably looking to make a contract similar to what Joe Thomas signed last year, from a salary cap standpoint, its worthwile to draft a top tackle, have him play the right side this year, then move him to the LT spot if we decide we can afford to pay Jake Long an 8 year, 92 million deal (7 year, 84 mil extension) with 44 mil guaranteed like Joe Thomas signed. Franchising Long would cost 13 million next year IIRC.
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^ I tend to agree about DL over OL, although Id be happy with either as both are our top needs.

I think the NFL is a more passing league, as reflected by the QB stats from last year and on defense, your bread and butter should be your pass rush. Right now, we have Cam Wake and guys who could probably do a good job rushing from the inside like Odrick and Starks. If we switch to a 4-3, a pass rushing DE opposite of Wake will be up there.

However, from a financial standpoint, OT can also make some sense. With Jake Long entering the final year of his rookie deal and probably looking to make a contract similar to what Joe Thomas signed last year, from a salary cap standpoint, its worthwile to draft a top tackle, have him play the right side this year, then move him to the LT spot if we decide we can afford to pay Jake Long an 8 year, 92 million deal (7 year, 84 mil extension) with 44 mil guaranteed like Joe Thomas signed. Franchising Long would cost 13 million next year IIRC.
I agree. Grabbing that versatile RT would kill 2 birds with one stone. Badly needed help in the right side, and make it easier to negotiate with Long, not that I really want to let him walk.
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